Well its settled. We now know how Jesus managed to walk on water on the Sea of Galilee. It wasn't a miracle after all. Jesus was on thin ice, and probably near the shore line of the Sea of Galilee.
The Journal of Paleolimnology (who knew there was such a journal?) has an article written by a Florida State scholar Doreen Nof and others in which he things he can now experimentally prove that Jesus walked on ice. Nof and his colleagues point out that in the Galilee region in the past 12,000 years unusual freezing conditions probably occured from time to time on parts of the freshwater lake called the Sea of Galilee.
Acknowledging that this hasn't happened recently, nonetheless they note that there were cold stretches 1,500 to 2,500 years ago. The scientists added that Galilee has warm, salty springs along the western shore, an area Jesus frequented. The water north of the springs does not convect when it is cold, and so they hypothesize that ice thick enough to support human weight could have formed in this area. Nof adds that from a distance it would have appeared Jesus walked on water. Furthermore, they suggest if it had recently rained, it would have left a smooth watery coating on the ice, which would make it look like water. These scientists don't insist it happened this way, they are just claiming it is possible.
I have a few questions---1) Did the ice reach out far enough from the shore for Jesus to step into the boat where the disciples were rowing?; 2) Was Peter's attempt to walk on water while in the lake, likewise skating on thin ice, and he fell through?; 3) What the heck were they doing playing row, row, row your boat on the lake during the worst ice storm in 1,500 years?
Mark Twain had a different idea. When he visited the Holy Land at the end of the 19th century with a tour group there was a boatman who offered to take the group across the Sea of Galilee in his boat for a fee. When Twain asked what the fee was and was told $50 (a huge sum in those days) he quipped "I now see why Jesus walked across this lake."
(4) Not only would Jesus have had to look to be walking on water from a distance. Peter would have to have had the feel of walking on something that he thought was water rather than slippery ice and the look of walking on water up close, since he was right on top of it.
ReplyDeleteThis story is ridiculous...Nof the guy who came up with it is the same guy with the red sea naturally parting in the early 1990s.
ReplyDeleteI too blogged about this crazy story the beginning of April...
Strange Culture: Jesus Walked On Ice (Not on Water)
It's ridiculous.
--RC of strangeculture.blogspot.com
Or as my granny used to say "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out."
ReplyDeleteBen
Perhaps Jim West could be persuaded to host an e-forum with Doreen Nof :-)
ReplyDeleteIt always amazes me how some people go to great lengths to come up with the remotest of possibilities and yet refuse to even consider a supernatural cause.
ReplyDeleteAs you and others noted, the "thin ice" theory is entirely inconsistent with the biblical account. According to Matthew, the disciples had been in the boat for a while and the boat was "a long way from the land" (Matt. 14:24). Mark says the boat was in the middle of the sea (Mark 6:47). Also, even under extremely cold conditions, the agitation from the waves likely would have broken the thin layer of ice.
I suppose people like Nof don't care about being consistent with the biblical texts. But the gospels are based on some evidence (eye-witness accounts), while their theory is based on pure speculation.
Of course there was ice, they were all there for Israeli Stanley Cup playoffs. The oars were hockey sticks. It is just the Gospel writers were soccer fans and didn't want to encourage winter sports. Of course that's the way it happend.
ReplyDeleteHi Josh:
ReplyDeleteYes there is reason to be confident that you are right about this. There is even evidence that some ancients thought that 'spirit' was a lesser sort of material substance, as is pointed out by Dale Martin's The Corinthian Body. So even Ludemann is certainly not right that we could read 1 Cor. 15 to refer to a non-material body in the phrase spiritual body.
Blessings,
Ben W.
As for the overkill on the biblio, you can thank my editors for that. And as for your other comment, I am saying that resurrection always believed to involve a body whether it involved the raising of a dead one or the transforming of a living one. One more interesting tidbit--- the phrase in 1 Copr. 15 is literally "resurrection from out of the dead ones" not resurrection from the grave or from death. This implies the dead ones are still in Sheol/the Land of the Dead/Hades.
ReplyDeleteBlessings,
Ben
Hi Joshua:
ReplyDeleteI think you can reach a point where you will have assurance about the big issues, but you will never have all the answers in this life. God reveals enough of himself and his will to give you hope, but not so much that you don't have to exercise faith and trust.
The problem however mainly Josh is that you bring some of the wrong sort of assumptions about the text. Genesis 1 involves poetry. It is not an early example of scientific description. The point is that God made it all, made it in an orderly fashion, and it was all good.
Sometimes we bring modern questions to texts that were never intended to answer some of these questions. Its not a question of the truthfulness of the Bible, it is a question of reading it in its proper contexts, and avoiding reading certain modern assumptions into the text.
Blessings on your witnessing,
Ben
If Jesus was walking on thin ice, what say Brother Peter! (slippery?)
ReplyDeleteenjoy, ron
I guess then we'd have an unrecorded miracle that took place as well. Because if Jesus was walking on thin ice, and then Peter fell in, then I guess Jesus would have to heal him from hypothermia.
ReplyDeleteInteresting that science depends on its own faith to create an explanation it can believe in.
Greg
I wish people would at least be intellectually honest and say that there were no miracles in the Bible, rather than trying to explain them away so they can still say they believe the Bible.
ReplyDeleteThere were miracles in the Bible, and they were a means to validate that someone was from God. If they can be explained away, then the truth of scripture is slain.
erm I think if it was iced over, Jesus was in Finland :)
ReplyDeleteoh and the miracle of hypothemia made me laugh too
ReplyDeletebe blessed