tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post2395937899349622878..comments2024-03-10T10:54:59.776-07:00Comments on Ben Witherington: A BROWNIE INFILTRATES LIBERTY-- WITH JUSTICE FOR ALLBen Witheringtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-82688203789205083862009-05-02T12:54:00.000-07:002009-05-02T12:54:00.000-07:00In the early nineties when I was a student at Libe...In the early nineties when I was a student at Liberty, I remember Falwell repeatedly saying something similar to what that president at Gordon-Conwell said. He wanted students from all kinds of backgrounds to be at LU because he was confident God would move in their lives while they were there.strangebrouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06193892184581528764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-33410180001057560742009-05-01T07:36:00.000-07:002009-05-01T07:36:00.000-07:00I loved his book. Having attended a very conservat...I loved his book. Having attended a very conservative fundamental evangelical college I feel like his experience was pretty close to some of the same things I experienced. I also found Kevin to be very fair and honest in his approach in understanding a completely different culture than he was used to. He was probably more open and fair than I would be. <br /><br />You mention, Ben, that we need to stop making decisions out of self-protection and fear in our Christian schools. But, isn't even the idea and philosophy behind the entire "Christian" college situation seem to be a self-protective and fear based? The establishment of the modern evangelical institution is a reflection of the retreat of the broader evangelical community into their own subculture. A decision based in a feeling of rejection and fear rather than a true engagement in culture for the gospel. <br /><br />Also, harmonicminer, it's interesting that you would define liberal Christianly with political instead of theological language. So, as long as someone holds to your conservative political agenda, does that mean they are "ok" and believing rightly Christianly? <br />You indicate that these are the markers of an "essentially Christian" school instead of things such as believing rightly concerning the trinity, the deity of Christ, the doctrine of original sin, the authority of the Scriptures, etc. This kind of political agenda over against theological orthodoxy is concerning and all too characteristic of fear based theology.jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12016408819806247885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-11230097399227054212009-04-30T18:41:00.000-07:002009-04-30T18:41:00.000-07:00I'm currently an undergraduate at Liberty graduati...I'm currently an undergraduate at Liberty graduating in May - I didn't know Roose while he was here, but there is a strong current of intellectually responsible and culturally aware Christianity here, and most of my friends are really appreciative of some of the things Roose brings to light that we are less than proud of about our institution. Here's to hoping that the spotlight prompts responsible change in the direction of responsible, Kingdom-oriented transformation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17201484149107013804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-63269158600589172202009-04-29T21:15:00.000-07:002009-04-29T21:15:00.000-07:00I'm all for welcoming non-Christian students to Ch...I'm all for welcoming non-Christian students to Christian campuses, if they will abide by the basic behavioral expectations of the institution. I'm concerned, however, about the way many Christian campuses are moving left, inch by inch. We can become so "welcoming" to different perspectives that we fail to stand up for our own. The only way to fight this seems to be great care in who are hired as faculty, but when academic credentials are more important to hiring committees than genuine Christian commitment (and yes, I'm talking about litmus-test questions on things like abortion, gay marriage, etc.), the clock is ticking on how long the campus will remain essentially Christian.HarmonicMinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04879689287195401421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-13990332881137039342009-04-28T14:12:00.000-07:002009-04-28T14:12:00.000-07:00Greatest possible chance for an explosion of this ...Greatest possible chance for an explosion of this kind was when Al Franken did the same thing at Bob Jones University, for one of his books. If memory serves, he took his son there pretending his son was considering enrollment. Yet even then, Franken became respectful of the people at BJU. They recognized him from SNL and were very polite and gracious when they blew his cover. He ended up feeling badly about the whole thing.Rob Suggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04565586727038679732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-72939482708080006862009-04-28T13:44:00.000-07:002009-04-28T13:44:00.000-07:00Ben,
Related to your mention of the Gordon-Conwel...Ben,<br /><br />Related to your mention of the Gordon-Conwell incident, there is a great passage that runs through I Corinthians 6-7 (near the passage on church discipline) where Paul specifically says that its corrupt individuals WITHIN the church that we are not associate with, not corrupt individuals OUTSIDE the church. This passage blew me away the ohther day as I read it. I couldn't believe I never noticed it before.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349302232084350190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-66422897140554770092009-04-28T13:41:00.000-07:002009-04-28T13:41:00.000-07:00My prayer is that Bill Maher would be next...My prayer is that Bill Maher would be next...Chaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008446549012671519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-69208425408903941172009-04-28T12:23:00.000-07:002009-04-28T12:23:00.000-07:00Sounds like a good book. There have been a number ...Sounds like a good book. There have been a number of these covert and not so covert attempts at immersion within the evangelical world with the purpose of eventually writing about it-Jeffrey Sheler's book Believers and the Living Biblically for a Year book come to mind.<br /><br />Years ago, Ellen Harris (I think that's her name) did the same thign with the Hasidim in her book Holy Days.Marc Axelrodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04364703655694001236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-26494878317498252552009-04-28T10:32:00.000-07:002009-04-28T10:32:00.000-07:00I'm kind of tired of these books. Unbeliever goes...I'm kind of tired of these books. Unbeliever goes undercover. It's tired. Here's a few I can think of off the top of my head:<br /><br />Jim and Casper Go To Church<br />I sold my soul on Ebay<br />The year of living Biblically<br />My Jesus Year<br />Rapture Ready<br /><br />It's tired already. They all come back saying "they aren't as bad as I thought".<br /><br />I'm not against them "spying us out" but that doesn't mean I have to read their book about it.<br /><br />Sorry, I have no point, just had to vent. :)<br /><br />JustinJuicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14484513756313595640noreply@blogger.com