tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post114692216560986330..comments2024-03-10T10:54:59.776-07:00Comments on Ben Witherington: Jesus on Thin Ice?Ben Witheringtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1147111124913272382006-05-08T10:58:00.000-07:002006-05-08T10:58:00.000-07:00oh and the miracle of hypothemia made me laugh too...oh and the miracle of hypothemia made me laugh too <BR/><BR/>be blessedsee-through faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10130170262035064482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1147111012345834502006-05-08T10:56:00.000-07:002006-05-08T10:56:00.000-07:00erm I think if it was iced over, Jesus was in Finl...erm I think if it was iced over, Jesus was in Finland :)see-through faithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10130170262035064482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1147104461985851702006-05-08T09:07:00.000-07:002006-05-08T09:07:00.000-07:00I wish people would at least be intellectually hon...I wish people would at least be intellectually honest and say that there were no miracles in the Bible, rather than trying to explain them away so they can still say they believe the Bible.<BR/>There were miracles in the Bible, and they were a means to validate that someone was from God. If they can be explained away, then the truth of scripture is slain.Brett Royalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15378779419194700703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1147029967630865882006-05-07T12:26:00.000-07:002006-05-07T12:26:00.000-07:00I guess then we'd have an unrecorded miracle that ...I guess then we'd have an unrecorded miracle that took place as well. Because if Jesus was walking on thin ice, and then Peter fell in, then I guess Jesus would have to heal him from hypothermia.<BR/><BR/>Interesting that science depends on its own faith to create an explanation it can believe in.<BR/><BR/>GregGreghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00449707049241409973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1147012076872917662006-05-07T07:27:00.000-07:002006-05-07T07:27:00.000-07:00If Jesus was walking on thin ice, what say Brother...If Jesus was walking on thin ice, what say Brother Peter! (slippery?)<BR/><BR/>enjoy, ronrevdrronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05003474866079969825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1146970153377476892006-05-06T19:49:00.000-07:002006-05-06T19:49:00.000-07:00Hi Joshua:I think you can reach a point where you ...Hi Joshua:<BR/><BR/>I think you can reach a point where you will have assurance about the big issues, but you will never have all the answers in this life. God reveals enough of himself and his will to give you hope, but not so much that you don't have to exercise faith and trust. <BR/><BR/>The problem however mainly Josh is that you bring some of the wrong sort of assumptions about the text. Genesis 1 involves poetry. It is not an early example of scientific description. The point is that God made it all, made it in an orderly fashion, and it was all good. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes we bring modern questions to texts that were never intended to answer some of these questions. Its not a question of the truthfulness of the Bible, it is a question of reading it in its proper contexts, and avoiding reading certain modern assumptions into the text.<BR/><BR/>Blessings on your witnessing,<BR/><BR/>BenBen Witheringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1146964236623947932006-05-06T18:10:00.000-07:002006-05-06T18:10:00.000-07:00As for the overkill on the biblio, you can thank m...As for the overkill on the biblio, you can thank my editors for that. And as for your other comment, I am saying that resurrection always believed to involve a body whether it involved the raising of a dead one or the transforming of a living one. One more interesting tidbit--- the phrase in 1 Copr. 15 is literally "resurrection from out of the dead ones" not resurrection from the grave or from death. This implies the dead ones are still in Sheol/the Land of the Dead/Hades. <BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/><BR/>BenBen Witheringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1146960497374773972006-05-06T17:08:00.000-07:002006-05-06T17:08:00.000-07:00Hi Josh:Yes there is reason to be confident that y...Hi Josh:<BR/><BR/>Yes there is reason to be confident that you are right about this. There is even evidence that some ancients thought that 'spirit' was a lesser sort of material substance, as is pointed out by Dale Martin's The Corinthian Body. So even Ludemann is certainly not right that we could read 1 Cor. 15 to refer to a non-material body in the phrase spiritual body.<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/><BR/>Ben W.Ben Witheringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1146955280402409982006-05-06T15:41:00.000-07:002006-05-06T15:41:00.000-07:00Of course there was ice, they were all there for I...Of course there was ice, they were all there for Israeli Stanley Cup playoffs. The oars were hockey sticks. It is just the Gospel writers were soccer fans and didn't want to encourage winter sports. Of course that's the way it happend.Ed Brenegarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036929650700370713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1146947542715572202006-05-06T13:32:00.000-07:002006-05-06T13:32:00.000-07:00It always amazes me how some people go to great le...It always amazes me how some people go to great lengths to come up with the remotest of possibilities and yet refuse to even consider a supernatural cause. <BR/><BR/>As you and others noted, the "thin ice" theory is entirely inconsistent with the biblical account. According to Matthew, the disciples had been in the boat for a while and the boat was "a long way from the land" (Matt. 14:24). Mark says the boat was in the middle of the sea (Mark 6:47). Also, even under extremely cold conditions, the agitation from the waves likely would have broken the thin layer of ice. <BR/><BR/>I suppose people like Nof don't care about being consistent with the biblical texts. But the gospels are based on some evidence (eye-witness accounts), while their theory is based on pure speculation.Chong Choehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12383431265749086087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1146942046586989082006-05-06T12:00:00.000-07:002006-05-06T12:00:00.000-07:00Perhaps Jim West could be persuaded to host an e-f...Perhaps Jim West could be persuaded to host an e-forum with Doreen Nof :-)C. Stirling Bartholomewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571440237755902925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1146936615880344812006-05-06T10:30:00.000-07:002006-05-06T10:30:00.000-07:00Or as my granny used to say "Don't be so open mind...Or as my granny used to say "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out."<BR/><BR/>BenBen Witheringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1146932032800992092006-05-06T09:13:00.000-07:002006-05-06T09:13:00.000-07:00This story is ridiculous...Nof the guy who came up...This story is ridiculous...Nof the guy who came up with it is the same guy with the red sea naturally parting in the early 1990s.<BR/><BR/>I too blogged about this crazy story the beginning of April...<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://strangeculture.blogspot.com/2006/04/jesus-walked-on-ice-not-on-water.html#links" REL="nofollow">Strange Culture: Jesus Walked On Ice (Not on Water)</A><BR/><BR/>It's ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>--RC of strangeculture.blogspot.comRChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11340006144797496514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1146928085620318822006-05-06T08:08:00.000-07:002006-05-06T08:08:00.000-07:00(4) Not only would Jesus have had to look to be wa...(4) Not only would Jesus have had to look to be walking on water from a distance. Peter would have to have had the feel of walking on something that he thought was water rather than slippery ice and the look of walking on water up close, since he was right on top of it.Jeremy Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03441308872350317672noreply@blogger.com