tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post1916839693357059216..comments2024-03-10T10:54:59.776-07:00Comments on Ben Witherington: A VOTERS GUIDE FOR THINKING EVANGELICALS—ONE YEAR OUTBen Witheringtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-54738113815758886422008-10-20T14:43:00.000-07:002008-10-20T14:43:00.000-07:00May I make three brief comments for consideration ...May I make three brief comments for consideration by Dr. Witherington and other participants here?<BR/><BR/>1. Perhaps it is time to retire concern about the life of the mother as a serious issue in the debate about abortion politics since very few Americans support a ban in these extreme situations – varying statistics I have seen indicate a low of 6% to a high of only 15% of EVANGELICALS oppose such an exception. Also, statistics suggest the health of the mother is the main reason given for having an abortion in only 4% of cases.<BR/><BR/>2. Isn’t the juxtaposition of abortion with the death penalty a pretty typical but ultimately unsatisfying argument? Are the persons whose lives will be taken – in other words, an indisputably innocent baby and a convicted criminal – really the same? Is the “choice” that is made really so similar: a woman who decides to end her baby’s life because she isn’t ready, has too little money, is single or has enough children already (these compose the overwhelming majority of cases) vs. the state through a complicated and lengthy trial in which a person charged with heinous crimes presents a defense and finally is judged by a jury of peers? <BR/><BR/>3. “Pro-choice is not the same as pro-abortion.” This statement seems closely related to the positions of folks like formerly pro-life government official Douglas Kmiec, who says he supports Mr. Obama because he’s definitely pro-choice but truly wants to make abortion rare. Like others on this blog thread, I sometimes tire of this never-ending struggle and wish it would go away, but I must say that I saw the issue specifically for this election in a new light upon reading the article at the link below by Robert George, a Princeton professor of legal philosophy who also happens to hold a master’s in theological studies from Harvard Divinity School. This is a level of extremism I cannot look away from.<BR/><BR/>http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/<BR/>viewarticle.php?selectedarticle=<BR/>2008.10.14_George_Robert_Obama%<BR/>27s%20Abortion%20Extremism_.xml <BR/><BR/>Or go to this link http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/ and seek the George articles in the middle.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for hearing me out.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01731674851630861609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-41658443144097169132007-11-20T20:53:00.000-08:002007-11-20T20:53:00.000-08:00Ag,I'm sorry that I won't take time to explore the...Ag,<BR/>I'm sorry that I won't take time to explore the moral difficulties that you posed. Those are issues we all must wrestle with of course. I realize that all the related issues do not seem clear cut at times.<BR/>However, I would like to clarify something. It is not that abortion outweighs all other issues to me. It is just that I find it hard to respect someone's moral philosophy that is "pro choice". Just as I would loose respect for a politician if they were correct on many issues but said, "By the way, I am for forced sterilization of poor people." Forced sterilization is not a political issue these days, but a stance like that might tell me something important about the core values of that person. Don't you think?<BR/><BR/>And to Luke. Anti-abortion is not a right-wing issue. The fact that so many people think so is a tragic political reality of the day. There is nothing about the issue itself that is partisan in nature.<BR/><BR/>Sorry it took me so long to respond. I live on the other side of the world.Percivalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00266528934626229166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-45869684066130962452007-11-20T17:49:00.000-08:002007-11-20T17:49:00.000-08:00Dr. Witherington,Thank you for your gracious answe...Dr. Witherington,<BR/>Thank you for your gracious answer.<BR/><BR/>I found out too late that you were speaking at Truett in Waco a few weeks ago. I would love to have been able to attend.<BR/>I hope my disagreement doesn't offend you. I am really trying to find the truth in all of this and I am not seeking to belittle anyone.<BR/>I have heard the same arguements from other people over the years and after studying them further I have concluded that they just don't support participation in government. <BR/>Paul did appeal to his citizenship on several occasions. I don't see how this is an endorsement of government. In fact, his appeals were pointing out how the officials were breaking their own laws.<BR/>Paul was doing good in God's eyes...carrying out his ministry.<BR/>Paul was doing evil in Caesar's eye's...(that's why he was arrested and beaten and threatened with beatings).<BR/>Paul appealed to his citizenship to stop the beatings...pointing out that the government officials were violating their own laws.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure how it follows from this that we should participate in government by voting. I think Paul was taking advantage of the fact that he was a citizen of Rome so that he could continue on with his work of spreading the Gospel. It was merely a tool he used to get past a roadblock to his ministry.<BR/><BR/>Being a good neighbor and citizen does not necessarily mean participation in government. I can show respect for someone without supporting them or their actions.<BR/><BR/>The problem with a Christian participating in government has to do with support of vengeance and force being used against others not to mention how it steals from some to satisfy the coveteous desires of others (subsidies, welfare, etc...). George Washington said government is not eloquence, it is force.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure a blog is an efficient place to carry on this discussion. I hate to take up so much space making a point.M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07653964342461738858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-45637008178874557532007-11-20T16:21:00.000-08:002007-11-20T16:21:00.000-08:00Some good discussion going on while I was away. Se...Some good discussion going on while I was away. Several points of importance. Firstly, the NT is very clear about Christians being good neighbors and good citizens of their respective subcultures. It is not an accident that Paul appeals to the fact that he is a good citizen of Rome, when the need arose, and in Philippi he demanded an apology on the basis of the law, exempting him from bad treatmnent without a hearing and trial. Secondly, Paul repeatedly, as does 1 Peter, inculcates a clear respect for governing authorities. Of course he never speaks of voting because there were no democracies in that era, but we do have for instance a sort of voting procedure in Acts 1 to decide who would be the new member of the Twelve-- involving casting of lots. In other words, civic duty is absolutely an issue in the NT, and it looks different in different cultures. If one is going to accept the benefits of democracy, then one has an obligation to participate in it to the degree that is does not violate one's Christian principles. Voting is certainly not ethically objectionable on any Biblical grounds, and since there are ways Christians can't fully participate in the larger culture, one must do one's best to do so, and so honor Christ by honoring "whatever is true, whatever is noble, what ever is lovely whatever is admirable, whatever is excellent" (Phil. 4.8).<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/><BR/>BenBen Witheringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-35270932070477583892007-11-19T11:59:00.000-08:002007-11-19T11:59:00.000-08:00Paul,I have been thinking about those same questio...Paul,<BR/>I have been thinking about those same questions for some time.<BR/>WHY should a Christian be involved politically--WHY should a Christian vote. Adin Ballou had some interesting thoughts about this in his <I> Christian Non-Resistance </I> (http://www.adinballou.org/cnr.shtml)<BR/><BR/>Human governments are portrayed and specifically referred to as instruments of God's wrath (Pharaoh, the Assyrian Monarch, Nebuchadnezzar), tools of his vengeance. He uses them much like Satan in the life of Job. Human governments are also described as being under Satan's control...Luke 4...1 John etc... In Corinthians, Paul instucts them not to go to courts of law because they (the govt officials) are ungodly--unbelievers.<BR/>It seems to follow that trying to make the world a better place by contributing to something that is a tool of vengeance and under control of Satan is counter to what the New Testament teaches. Kind of like trying to clean up the brothel be becoming a prostitute. We should live quiet lives and seek to live in peace with everyone as much as it depends on us. We should submit as Christ and the apostles did to their authority when they press down on us. Accept punishment (1 Peter) for doing good. Let our lives be a testimony the to love of God.<BR/><BR/>By voting, we are giving consent to a system, a government that is inherently tyrannical, now matter how much freedom we think we have.<BR/>(http://www.fff.org/comment/com0411a.asp)<BR/><BR/>I used to be onboard with the whole voting thing. Thought it could change things. Doesn't seem to have worked. (how can one man represent the views of millions of people anyway?) I think that this is just an extension of the Social Gospel that becaume popular at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries. We were never instructed to go out and try to make the world safe for Christians to live in or use political force to compel others to live up to Christian standards. We were told to spread the Good News and make disciples. WE, each individual, have to do this. We can't vote someone in to office to take care of our responsiblity. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I would love to hear a good well thought out Biblical case for voting and being politically involved.M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07653964342461738858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-622891524455667842007-11-19T10:44:00.000-08:002007-11-19T10:44:00.000-08:00It's amazing how you right-wing died in the wool r...It's amazing how you right-wing died in the wool republicans were preaching this same message 8 years ago, and 4 years ago. You got your way and you got the "Christian" vote (whatever that means), and what has happened? The abortion you preached against and the deal-breaker issue you voted for is still as much alive today as it was then, if not more so.<BR/><BR/>Being a Christian does not mean you vote Republican or pro-life. We cannot fuse the cross and the sword and send these messages to our churches. My church was basically a republican campaign during 2004 and it absolutely made me sick b/c we think getting the "Christians" in office is going to make the world better and save it. This is anti-biblical and an utter mistake.<BR/><BR/>Women who have had abortions, as well as homosexuals, should be drawn to Christianity due to Christians acts of sacrificial love. Instead, b/c of you "Christian" right-wingers, they absolutely hate us. When is the church going to learn that our only hope is Jesus and not politics. When are we going to learn that our laying down our lives for those around us through sacrificial acts of self-giving love is the way we show Christ to people?<BR/><BR/>People cannot tell we are Christians by who we vote for, nor by the laws we make in the government, but by our love and by our lives.<BR/><BR/>Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, John Hagee, and James Dobson, and James Kennedy have done an absolute injustice to our Lord by endorsing candidates and preaching their ridiculous right-wing republican political messages. Evangelicals just do not get it, and we bring shame to our Lord because of this ridiculous practice. <BR/><BR/>Vote where your convictions lie, but do not tell me what is the Christian vote or bring this right-wing crap into our churches. The Kingdom of God and the kingdom of this world are radically opposed, and sadly we are trying to fuse the latter with the former.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10462492727350793432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-6164571866446185782007-11-19T09:38:00.000-08:002007-11-19T09:38:00.000-08:00I find it hard to believe that in such a partiasn ...I find it hard to believe that in such a partiasn system (as it seems to exist in the US) that a cadidate can be destinguished personally and not almost exclusively based on party affiliations and policy. Perhaps I can be enlightened - is it normal in the US for elected members to cross the party lines when it comes to voting?<BR/><BR/>wkwmqrv - why keep walking, many queens ride in vehiclesphil_stylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605470284153454825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-74701471143183427232007-11-18T15:56:00.000-08:002007-11-18T15:56:00.000-08:00Percival,Let me ask this question to youand what w...Percival,<BR/>Let me ask this question to youand what would be your thoughts regarding abortion in this hyperthetical:<BR/>If your wife or my wife or daughter was raped and became pregnant would abortion be an option? If not why not? If yes than explain the tension?<BR/>We need to begin to personalise some of these 'moral' concerns we have and view them in the light of empathy. I know that if something as horrendous and vile as that were to happen to my wife, how dare I as a christian male dare to inflict 'morals' onto the trauma she has experienced by asking here to then bear the child of her attacker, only to relive all that has taken place for the rest of her life, or then place that innocent child in adoption because of the sin of another. Its not always black and white, as christians i think morality is important but at what cost? Jesus himself was called immoral for mixing with tax collectors and sinners, so how far are we willing to push it. I personally think oyu are wrong in the approach you are taking to the issue.<BR/>You cannot seriously tell me that if a candidate ticks all the 'chriostian' boxes but allows woman 'pro choice' they is wiped? That in my mind is plain ridiculous that one owuld forget about everything else that is good about a candidate purely because they think aborion is more important than everything else. <BR/>Anyway.....we need to remember to personalise the issue more, simply sitting or standing ona soap box looking down does not spread the love of Jesus nor solve the issue, it creates little pharisees pointing the finger. <BR/>Like i said earlier, if something bad happend to a family member would we expect the pregnancy to continue? .....doesnt seems such an easy deal breaker any more does it?<BR/>All the bestCPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07061614570571933329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-34249546894901387292007-11-16T22:04:00.000-08:002007-11-16T22:04:00.000-08:00Regarding Ben's comment to Chris on abortion. Tru...Regarding Ben's comment to Chris on abortion. True, the Bible doesn't say anything directly about it, but I believe church fathers had something to say about infanticide. The Bible doesn't directly condemn slavery either, but for the Civil War generation it was THE issue. I believe abortion is the issue for our time. <BR/>What we need to ask ourselves as the new abolitionists is what is the best way to reduce abortion and turn the moral conscience of the nation and the world towards protecting innocent life. There are difficult issues to resolve like what to do with frozen embryos. But bringing up ectopic pregnancies and UNrelated topics such as the death penalty (which I also oppose) does not give proper weight to the moral gravity of the issue.<BR/>To me "pro-choice" is a deal breaker, just as it would be if a candidate was on target for everything but also condoned slavery or forced sterilization of poor people. Ridiculous comparisons? Only because our society has already completely been turned on these issues.Percivalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00266528934626229166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-65463772320112297402007-11-16T13:08:00.000-08:002007-11-16T13:08:00.000-08:00Hi Dr. Witherington.What makes you think Kennedy w...Hi Dr. Witherington.<BR/><BR/>What makes you think Kennedy was better on Cuba? He botched up the Bay of Pigs.James Patehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14247799389009268470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-91000353620806975142007-11-16T12:15:00.000-08:002007-11-16T12:15:00.000-08:00I would suggest that on many levels, Christians ne...I would suggest that on many levels, Christians need to be aware of an effect of cultural "backlash," and ponder the course of action previously taken. See, e.g., this horrifying dispute about a Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit, which amply illustrates the results that can follow from a failure to achieve full awareness of the broader world in which we must inevitably participate:<BR/><BR/>http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/did-christian-agenda-lead-biased-dead-sea-scrolls-exhibit-san-diegoRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059587770466161796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-39126252972301249432007-11-16T10:47:00.000-08:002007-11-16T10:47:00.000-08:00Loved the post, but I have to take issue with one ...Loved the post, but I have to take issue with one point: The thinking evangelical would do well to consider the Spanish-American War, which in my opinion has more similarities to our current conflict than any other. Just substitute "Remember the Maine" and the now debunked allegations against Spain for 9/11 and WMD, and the rest is obvious--a speedy victory followed by a protracted, brutal insurgency conflict (Philippine-American War). If only we had remembered the Maine, maybe we wouldn't have been duped this time around.David Hamstrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00918076742603923375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-37861482442789202382007-11-16T04:25:00.000-08:002007-11-16T04:25:00.000-08:00Hi Ben,(I always like to introduce myself just a l...Hi Ben,<BR/><BR/>(I always like to introduce myself just a little, so I'll say I'm someone who's read some of your books and has been reading your blog for a few weeks)<BR/><BR/>I'm curious about two things in your post, though I think there are quite a number of points worth further discussion (like what constitutes things being "economically worse").<BR/><BR/>Question one: from whence arises our obligation to vote?<BR/><BR/>Question two: why haven't you brought any specifically biblical wisdom to bear on the question? If it is the obligation of CHRISTIANS to vote, shouldn't we be looking to the testimony of the wisdom if our Israelites fathers or to Jesus?<BR/><BR/>I'll spell out the subtext of my question so as to not leave it in doubt. It is my opinion that this obligation to vote is part of the American political myth (though it exists in other democracies), alongside the notion that the military is "fighting for our freedoms", etc. <BR/><BR/>I can conceivably imagine someone making a case for a voting obligation on natural law or humanistic grounds, theoretically applicable to everyone in our society. I have a much harder time imagining someone demonstrating that God demands that christians vote.<BR/><BR/>I'd be happy to see how you have been thinking about the issue though.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191647599354906514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-30643243613086340272007-11-15T13:20:00.000-08:002007-11-15T13:20:00.000-08:00Hi Matt:His talks are online at www.asburyseminary...Hi Matt:<BR/><BR/>His talks are online at www.asburyseminary.edu/<BR/><BR/>BenBen Witheringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-61161878255864829842007-11-15T12:47:00.000-08:002007-11-15T12:47:00.000-08:00Ben,Any chance that you'll post a follow-up to thi...Ben,<BR/><BR/>Any chance that you'll post a follow-up to this note on your friend's, Tom Wright, message on political theology?<BR/><BR/>MattMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16351273421833040635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-1212604622342240462007-11-15T11:48:00.000-08:002007-11-15T11:48:00.000-08:00Amen Ben,I am voting for Ron Paul but I encourage ...Amen Ben,<BR/><BR/>I am voting for Ron Paul but I encourage everyone to look long and hard on their own initiative to determine the candidate that they think is best. Let's all put some effort in this time around into preserving the country that we all love.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>Alex<BR/>Atlanta, GA.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349302232084350190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-74359642763039636782007-11-15T10:35:00.000-08:002007-11-15T10:35:00.000-08:00Well said Kevin...Well said Kevin...Jeremiah A V Dumaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13597405520110507096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-68180610807932228562007-11-15T10:19:00.000-08:002007-11-15T10:19:00.000-08:00I hope this thread doesn't degenerate into just an...I hope this thread doesn't degenerate into just an abortion-related debate. That being said, the point I have been thinking about the most lately is #4. Character is so important to me, and has been a large part of my voting decisions in the past, but now I am also wondering about the importance of electing people who can govern well. Ideally, it wouldn't be an either-or type of choice, but I think now I would rather have someone who is skilled at leadership, compromise, and decision-making than someone who I agree with on all the issues or who has great character but poor political skills.C.P.O.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16880429004171251097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-59334360819831132372007-11-15T09:08:00.000-08:002007-11-15T09:08:00.000-08:00the funny thing about the single issue abortion vo...the funny thing about the single issue abortion voters is that all it takes to convince them someone is pro-abortion is them saying such. actual statistics never seem to make their way into the argument, even after the fact.<BR/><BR/>i will use the current president as a perfect example. he is pro-life (anti-abortion) and i know many (including my own family) who voted for him solely on that issue and because he is a "christian". and while abortion is still legal, they will point to his supreme court nominations as final justification for that vote.<BR/><BR/>but looking at the record, abortions have actually increased during his presidency for various reasons. (see Dr. Glen Stasson at sojo.net or article 050121_abort at ekklesia.co.uk). so how does that vote for the pro-life guy look now? he actually managed to reverse a decreasing trend of abortions in the US. impressive!<BR/><BR/>this is just one example why ben's advice is good and sound. as simple as you want to make it, it's never quite that easy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04099996632223045423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-7914311830391600882007-11-15T03:43:00.000-08:002007-11-15T03:43:00.000-08:00Hi Chris;And here is where I must gently disagree ...Hi Chris;<BR/><BR/>And here is where I must gently disagree with you. In the first place the Bible really says nothing directly about abortion. I agree there are some indirect implications against it, but that is all. If it was the ultimate ethical issue for us, would God really have inspired no comments on it, when it was happening rampantly in the Biblical era and there were even abortion producing drugs (which may be mentioned in passing by Paul)? Secondly, are you really saying that the life of the unborn child is more important than the life of the mother, when there is a truly life threatening situation for the mother-- say an ectopic pregnancy? I don't think so. Thirdly, a pro-life position needs to have some consistency to it. If all life is sacred then there can be no debate that war and capital punishment are violations of that truth. If then one wants to say BUT, there are exceptions on those two issues, I see no reason whatsoever to say there could not be exceptions to the rule in the case of a life-threatening pregnancy. So, while I have no problem with making abortion a deciding issue in who you vote for, its wrong to make it the deal breaker if the candidate is otherwise excellent, especially when I don't think any of these candidates are actually Pro-abortion, they are pro-choice for the mother, which is not the same thing.<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>Ben W.Ben Witheringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06017701050859255865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-39942801677921461282007-11-15T02:37:00.000-08:002007-11-15T02:37:00.000-08:00Really interesting thoughts. As an American Studie...Really interesting thoughts. As an American Studies graduate from the UK I watch American elections with interest, especially the primaries which always seem more fun. <BR/><BR/>However, regardless of the political institution in power, the challenge for all Christians is to pray for those who have positions of power and authority.Journeymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10932277367641181192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-9329197325944275732007-11-15T00:10:00.000-08:002007-11-15T00:10:00.000-08:00I was about to gently take issue with your advice ...I was about to gently take issue with your advice not to be a one-issue-voter, even on such matters as abortion. The abortion license seems to be such an unmitigated evil that it almost warrants a one-issue-vote. Except, as I thought about it, I realized that while such a vote might be a moral statement, in all likelihood it would not make any difference on this issue. The President of the United States cannot turn the country around on this issue. Even a veto will not halt a determined congress.<BR/><BR/>Therefore I conclude that the time and place for a single-issue-vote on the subject of abortion or any other issue would be congressional or state legislature elections rather than gubernatorial or presidential elections.<BR/><BR/>All of that said I should probably confess that I am not an American, and while I have lived in the US, currently I live in Vienna, Austria. But of course who you folks elect as President affects us over here as well :-)wnpaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18231515296470375310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-26234452707630256402007-11-14T21:57:00.000-08:002007-11-14T21:57:00.000-08:00And may I give one name for people to research bec...And may I give one name for people to research because the media has a clear blackout of this man, and this is what he says about his faith:<BR/><BR/>I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.<BR/><BR/>The man who so unequivocally declares his faith in jesus like this, is not Romney or Huckabee, it's 10-term Texas Congressman, Ron Paul.<BR/><BR/>If you have 8 minutes, there's a really good video you can watch about Ron Paul right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIivoqLbeeg<BR/><BR/>His campaign website is here: http://www.RonPaul2008.com<BR/><BR/>Sorry to seemingly be promoting, but you just won't hear about Ron Paul on CNN or Fox. And for the record, I am NOT American, yet even i can see this one thing so clearly, that Ron Paul is not a politician, he's an Elder Statesman! Please investigate him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05801898044394292148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-70510259763423475172007-11-14T21:54:00.000-08:002007-11-14T21:54:00.000-08:00Thanks for the advice, this will be my first vote,...Thanks for the advice, this will be my first vote, and I'm frustrated already. Im at Liberty University now and there a powerful peer pressure here with who you vote for. I know that its important to vote, but so much pressure in one direction by the the evangelical culture combined with my uncertainty of a right decision in general makes want to throw up my hands and quit....but I guess I shouldnt do thatNick Crewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08924539457095479323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11840313.post-90327826041889130792007-11-14T19:31:00.000-08:002007-11-14T19:31:00.000-08:00Ben,You say we should never be single-issue voters...Ben,<BR/><BR/>You say we should never be single-issue voters because "there are a plethora of inter-related important issues that affect our lives, and our Christian existence." You then use abortion as an example.<BR/><BR/>I think that is the one issue where that single issue <I>should</I> be a deal-breaker. People can debate on the wisdom of the war, on how to help the poor, or on what to do about the environment. <BR/><BR/>But there should be no debate over whether it's ok to kill unborn children. I can't trust someone who comes in on the wrong side of that issue to make a correct moral judgement about anything else. <BR/><BR/>There is no other issue quite like that one, and I think it is appropriate to use that one issue to knock out candidates.ChrisBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04611311820554248004noreply@blogger.com